In response to "Fighting Against the Slander" (by Thomas Verenna aka Rook Hawkins):
Verenna says, "Frank Walton is a pseudonymous name and he often attacks the person rather than the argument."
I'll let the people judge whether they think I'm just attacking the person and not the argument. But my real name is Frank Walton. I've told people over and over again there is an atheist pretending to be me around the net while posting immature remarks. I wrote about that here. Yet Verenna never acknowledges this. But I think it's quite hypocritical of Verenna for accusing JP Holding for using a "pseudonymous name" - I mean, Verenna called himself "Rook Hawkins" at one point!
Verenna says, "Frank also runs several hate-blogs dedicated to nothing but slander and libel. One such blog, http://thomasverenna.blogspot.com, is directed towards me."That site is not run by me. The person doing that blogsite has linked to many of my blog articles though. Personally, I love the blogsite. It really does show Verenna for who he really is: a phony. Also, there's another blog on Verenna
here. Great stuff!
Verenna says, "Frank claims I lied about being named Assistant Director of the Jesus Project."I never claimed that. (But, yes, I do think that Verenna is a liar). Everything he says in that section has no bearing on me. But it does look like
Verenna is no longer a part of the "Jesus Project" fellowship.
Verenna says, "Do Scholars 'Distance' Themselves From Thomas? There is a claim made that I often talk of scholars who I know, but when questioned these individuals 'distance' themselves from me. Thomas Thompson is listed as an example. But this is not the case. Frank is being dishonest."No, I'm not. I've responded to the "Thomas L. Thompson" fiasco
here (look particularly under "Frank Walton has been caught lying?! Say it ain't so!"). Thompson was lied to by Verenna when he suggested I was "Tim O'Neill". Later on, I've emailed Thompson myself. But he hasn't responded.
If Bob Price thinks that Verenna is a "resourceful scholar" then he can sing that to the hills if he wants. But Price is wrong because even Verenna
himself said that he's not a scholar:
"I would not call myself a scholar."
[rationalresponders.com/forum/14034]
Anyway, Verenna doesn't mention the fact (nor does he even bother replying to) that Price did say this,
"...I fear Rook gave the wrong impression..."
He said this NOT too long ago. Verenna won't even bother giving his readers the full story.
Also, realize Verenna does not mention Eric Schumacher who has decided to distance himself from Verenna (read all about this
here). So, I'm still vindicated. Many scholars want nothing to do with Verenna.
Verenna says, "Did Thomas Have Anything to do with the Dawkins Claims? Frank and others have insisted that I am partially responsible for the incident where Richard Dawkins had been accused of certain unethical allegations. "I didn't say Verenna had been partially responsible. So, I don't see how that section has anything to do with me. I specifically pointed fingers at Brian and Kelly - I wrote about that
here. However, Verenna was still with the Rational Response Squad during the time, yes, even when they made the allegation that Dawkins had an affair with another woman. I don't recall if he castigated Brian or Kelly for that remark.
Verenna says, "I never said I served in Iraq."Well
now he tells us! Verenna knows full well that he's been keeping his military duty and the Iraq War very ambiguous. Look what he says
here,
"I may not have served in the Iraq War, but I'm ready for a war know. [sic]"
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You
"may not" have served in the Iraq War? If you didn't serve there, you'd say, "I did not fight in Iraq." This is the type of ambiguous and dishonest statements Verenna makes.
Verenna says, "Frank claims that I have plagiarized."Yup, you sure did. And I prove it
here. Also, notice that Verenna won't bother showing you the article that he plagiarized. He won't show you the article he wrote nor the quotes from Dennis McKinsey. Figures. Also, I emailed Dennis McKinsey (after he wrote to Tom Verenna), and by then he even acknowledged that Verenna may have indeed plagiarized him! He wrote to us (in 2007)
saying,
"If Rook did that then he should not only apologize but refrain from such activity in the future."
Verenna will not tell anybody about this letter we received from McKinsey. Verenna has accused people (who actually do their homework) of plagiarism (like JP Holding), yet the irony of it all is that Verenna is in fact the plagiarist.
Here's Verenna's writing: "It
proves nothing in regard to the existence of Jesus, but
only affirms the existence of Christians."And now here's McKinsey's writing: "...the passage
proves nothing in regard to the existence of Jesus. It
only affirms the existence of Christians."
Notice the similarities? The, uh,
plagiarism done by Verenna? Why won't Verenna show his readers these quotes? You can't hide from the evidence, Verenna.
Verenna says, "A choice slander that Frank uses is that I’m a pervert."Yes,
you're bad writing about making out with a girl is perversion. (And
this video you made with your ho is perverted too). Notice, that Verenna won't bother to show you guys his fictional writings. Seriously, guys, it sucks. Hmm, maybe that's why he wont' show it to you. Verenna also won't tell you how he asked someone to provide him with "cum". Read about that
here. Not only that but
when he was asked if he f*cked Kelly (of the Rational Response Squad) he wrote
this:
"My blogs are of unheard of levels and comprise of my research on ancient texts. And some porn, Halii" (July 4, 2008).
But, again, Verenna doesn't show the evidence I've presented.
Verenna says, "On his site, he lists several quotes which he claims mean that I am a fascist."Notice
again, that Verenna won't even show you guys the quote. This is typical "Verenna" stuff. He's afraid the other side will read the whole story. Anyway, Verenna
wrote,
...let this be a reminder that this is what the [Rational Response Squad] is fighting for - to free minds and rid the world or [sic] irrational people like Frank Walton...
If he didn't mean violence, fine then. However, I find it hard that Verenna is a pacifist when earlier in the "Fighting Against the Slander" article he mentioned how he enlisted in the army and was at one time "gung ho" to go to war. But whatever. If he had a change of mind, great. However, if Verenna wants to rid the world of people like me, one things for sure then, he would rather that I not exist at all. To me, that's just as bad as fascism. I, on the other hand, am glad that people like Verenna exist. People have to know how incredibly irrational people like Verenna are, especially when you deny God.
That's all that needs to be said I suppose. All the stuff Verenna says about me (being a stalker, being psychologically damaged, etc.) doesn't hurt me in the least. C'mon, can a shallow mind like Verenna's get the best of me? Of course not. After all,
he was voted the most stupidest atheist in his former club. People can go to the biased and dishonest "
Rational Response Squad" run blogsite "'Atheism Sucks' Sucks" to see if any of that stuff is true (that dipstick site claims "I'm my own stalker" while saying they have proof that I have been using false names with the same IP addresses - yet they don't even provide the proof or evidence or the IP numbers). But for what it's worth, I still am vindicated about Verenna. Verenna as oyou can see from his "Fighting Against the Slander" article is filled with damage control, while not showing his readers the full truth. Because he knows he has everything to hide. Oh, and, Verenna, give Richard Carrier my blessing. I hope he does get the FBI involved. By then, they'll find out I'm not responsible for any sock-puppery at all. And you've been telling everybody that you intend on suing me, but, so far, I've received no lawsuit (what, it's been like 3 years now!). You got nothing on me, goatee boy. Don't insult your readers, Tommy, by thinking they don't know you're a fraud. Perhaps the best thing to do is to actually study the stuff you criticize. Maybe then you'll be taken more seriously. Thanks and God bless.
Verenna says, "*Edit (2/21/2010): Frank is at it again and quoting text from a message board (Rants ‘n’ Raves) by a member using my name and pseudonym. I do not have an account on RnR; the account is clearly from an impersonator (maybe even one of Frank’s own sock-puppets), like the faux accounts of Sapient and Kelly. There are (or were) several other faux accounts on their website. That Frank knows this and still quotes from the source as if it were really me is another example of his many dishonest character flaws."(#1) Notice that Verenna (in the very first sentence) admitted that he used a pseudonym. So, for him to complain about JP Holding using pseudonyms is hypocritical. (#2) I did not "sock-puppet" him. But for a person who uses pseudonyms, who is he to complain about sock-puppets? Furthermore, he linked to a website (ie "Atheism Sucks" sucks) that made claims I never said. And I proved it
here. (#3) I truly doubt that the person who calls himself by Verenna's pseudonym "Rook Hawkins" is actually another person.
I think this is actually Verenna himself. Why is he saying it's another person pretending to be him then? Obviously because (as I said before) he's trying to distance himself from his hypocritical past. Notice that I caught him writing
this, "My blogs are of unheard of levels and comprise of my research on ancient texts. And some porn, Halii." Guess what? His website at the Rational Response Squad site is chock full of pornographic images. Also, checkout what we wrote about his obvious perversion above. How doesn't that make Verenna a pervert? Verenna has been trying to delete past articles he's written. But fortunately he's unable to delete some posts at RnR. When he posted articles at atheistnetwork.com, and we found that he plagiarized writings from Dennis McKinsey in one of those articles, Verenna promptly had it deleted. We write about that
here. And Verenna says
I'm dishonest?
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